Greg Detre
Wednesday, March 05, 2003
missing one page with the diagrams
found the MNs by accident
Gopnik & Meltzoff � theory theory:
structural
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functional
prediction, interpretation �
dynamic features of theories
defeasibility, counter-evidence, intermediate process
Gordon & Cruz: �we have no need to store general information about what makes people tick. We just do the ticking for them�
if TT:
observer�s representation of target�s behaviour is purely theoretical
then TT would not predict that the same muscle groups would trigger in the observer and the target
if ST:
mind-reader represents others� mental states by recreating in themself (plans out movements/intentions)
then ST would predict same muscular activation in observer and target
as found experimentally
Hugo: feels that Gallese & Goldman are being sensationalistic about conclusions about high-level mental states and simulation theory from low-level MN results
Daphne: other parts of the brain that you�d expect to be involved?
and, for starters, they only work for hand + mouth grips, rather than mapping motor commands in general
Deb: thinks that it makes sense to talk in terms of goals when discussing MNs
recognisers? link between perception + action?
presumably you use your simulation theory module to base the laws that you then make (which you have to have in order to talk about them)
theory theory module nestling on top of a simulation theory module
in order to use language???
are there motor issues with Broca�s aphasics? is there a lesion that affects the ability to recognise actions in particular?
MNs and then imitation are precursors to ToM
Duchenne smiles � wrinkles in corner of eyes (Williams et al.)
Bruce: if MNs were originally found in macaques, how come they don�t imitate?
depends on definition of imitation?
accounting for social facilitation etc.?
Derek: imitation � social facilitation (Meltzoff & Gopnik) or other way round? (this paper)
is a fish schooling (turning when the others turn) social or imitation?
lack of individuation
flocking doesn�t require imitation, only low-level rules of proximity
Bruce: it would be cool if you found an uninhibited MN in fish that makes the fish turn automatically when they see another fish
do autistic children like interacting with animals???
Kai-Yuh � autistic children lack motivation for social interaction?
connections between mirror neurons and amygdala?
theories about problems in symbolic processing of language based solely on impairment of temporal processing in the auditory system